Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

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timmfrerk
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Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by timmfrerk »

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if there is an implemented option (as in Stata) or an easy workaround to get the estimates of the fixed effects parameters in Relative risk ratios when using multilevel unordered response multinomial models?

Thank you
Timm
ChrisCharlton
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Re: Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by ChrisCharlton »

There is not a built-in display option for this, however can you perform the transformation yourself by simply using the exponential function on the fixed part estimates. An example of this for the first model in chapter 10 of the user guide (http://www.bristol.ac.uk/cmm/media/r2ml ... rGuide10.R) would be:

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library(R2MLwiN)
data(bang, package = "R2MLwiN")
(mymodel1 <- (runMLwiN(logit(use4) ~ 1 + lc, D = "Unordered Multinomial", data = bang)))
exp(mymodel1@FP)
timmfrerk
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Re: Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by timmfrerk »

Thanks for the quick reply and easy solution.
adeldaoud
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Re: Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by adeldaoud »

Hi

Observe, that when you take the exponential of the log-odds you will get the odds ratio not the relative risk ratio. The relative risk ratio is more complicated to obtain: see e.g. Osborne, 2006, Bringing balance and technical accuracy to reporting odds ratios and the results of logistic regression analyses.

I am myself in the midst of figuring out how to calculate relative risk ratios from a logistic regression in Mlwin. Chris do you or the CMM-team have any suggestions for this?

Best,
GeorgeLeckie
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Re: Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by GeorgeLeckie »

Hi Timm,

Just to clarify. Stata refers to the exponentiated regression coefficients from a multinomial logistic regression as "relative-risk ratios". This is the what the original post requested and Chris's proposed solution gives the user these ratios.

http://www.stata.com/manuals14/rmlogit.pdf

You are right in saying that the exponentiated regression coefficients from a multinational logistic regression are also odds ratios. Note, however, that the odds involved in these ratios are "improper odds" that is strictly speaking they are conditional odds (conditional that the response is either the numerator focal category or the denominator base category). This is why Stata uses the terminology they do as they reserve the term odds ratio for ratios of "proper" odds.

Best wishes

George
adeldaoud
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Re: Relative risk ratios in R2MLwiN

Post by adeldaoud »

Thanks for the clarification, George.

Sounds that the language that STATA is using is a bit confusing/misleading compared to what the statistics community tend to use.

Nevertheless, is it possible to obtain relative risk from an ordinary logistic regression from Mlwin?

Best,
Adel
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